It happens quite often that someone comes up to me and says: “Brother, where you go wrong is in distinguishing Jews and Gentiles, even though both are in Christ! Now there is no longer Jew nor Gentile. We are now all the same in Christ!”.

In Gal. 3:27-29 we read: “For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.  And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.” (NASB)

Although terms as such “baptized” and “Christ” today sound exclusively Christian it was clearly not so in Saul Paul’s time. In fact, back in the first-century, they sounded exclusively Jewish!

When someone who was Greek went through the Jewish ritual of washing with water (mikvah/baptism) in the name of the Jewish Christ, and in so doing professed faith in Israel’s God, something very important happened – this Greek man or woman, in some real way became a child of Abraham and co-heir together with Jews to the promise of Israel’s God!

The distinction between Jews and Greeks/Gentiles was not abolished, just as the distinction between men and women was not abolished either (this point is VERY IMPORTANT). Instead in Christ Jesus, there was no more discrimination between them. This means that while Jews were still distinct from Gentiles, they were not preferred above Gentiles, just as men were no longer preferred above women in the Kingdom of God. 

So, are Christ-followers now Jews? No, but they are part of the Commonwealth of Israel as the nations of the world worshiping Israel’s God through Jewish Christ (Eph.2:12). They are God’s people along with the Jews, heirs to the promises of God together with them.

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  1. I agree with this. But the question still remains: is Torah only for Jews? Or, are we Jews to teach Torah to Gentiles, not to make them Jews, but so they learn the ways of Hashem? This was much more important back in Paul’s day because Gentiles were pretty pagan. But in our day, Gentiles have become more godly because they’ve learned the ways of G-d as Christians and are familiar with Torah. The question now is how far should this go? Could you argue that as part of the Commonwealth of Israel, they should follow Torah? How much?

    • I think again the starting point is that Torah is NOT LAW. Torah is more than Law/laws. Within Torah there are many different set of laws some pertaining to kings, men, women, priests, sojourners, slaves, etc. So yes Jews are to teach to the Nations, (see this article first https://israelbiblecenter.com/thank-not-making-woman/), but not ALL laws are equally applicable to everyone. The most important thing is that EVERYONE will do what GOD OF ISRAEL commands them to do (not less and not more) Please, read also this one – https://israelbiblecenter.com/paul-tell-timothy-eat-unclean/

      • Amen! Many Christians (or perhaps some, since more are realizing the errors that have been passed down for many centuries) are shortchanging their learning and their joy when they view the “Old” Testament as a series of dos and don’ts that has passed away. The entire books are a unified whole. A foundation for a home is necessary, or it will eventually collapse. The so-called Old Testament is the foundation, and is like the dictionary/thesaurus of the so-called New Testament. The New Covenant expounds on what has been taught and further fills up those lessons in a more dynamic way.

      • You contradict Paul/Saul by saying we aren’t one through Christ who is our mediator, and a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. There is now neither Jew nor Gentile, bond nor free, male and female for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

        • So just how is Dr .Eli contradicting the Word of G-d ? Jews wrote the Word of G-d ,Salvation is from the Jews .The Word of G-d was given to the Jews .To understand the Word of G-d ,Gentiles need to get back to the Hebrew teachings of the Torah and Tanakh !

      • One more Question then you are just vain, If we have to call upon Hashem to be saved who is telling you not to Use it, or even try to figure it out?

      • Shalom Eli, my Messianic Rabbi believes, and I agree. That Christians, who follow Torah, and eat kosher and keep Shabbat and the Feasts are descended from the Ten Northern Tribes. What is your opinion on this? Thank you.

      • Amen. Great answer Dr. Question now is what or which part of the Torah are for Jews only and which for Christian? Especially 7th-Day Adventist who keep Sabbath and very much Lev 11 as well.

        • Just like civil law has laws for men, women, property owners, pet owners, etc., so also, Torah has law specific to different categories of people, eg. kings, husbands, foreigners, priests, women, etc. So, in short, the parts that apply to your category apply to you. If you want to keep more because it is a blessing, then no one should stop you. But a more detailed answer comes from Acts 15: initially keep the four prohibitions, and continue to learn Torah afterward (vs. 21).

          • i disagree Istael was rejected and divorsed for not keeping TORAH. This is the picture of the prodical son who left THE HOUSE and the RULES/TORAH OF THE HOUSE to take on the identity of the world. THE TORAH IS THE RULES OF THE MARRIAGE. TORAH IS FOR ALL ISRAEL

      • Although, if they don’t follow the Jewish Christ (Messiah), they have turned aside and gone astray. So whether they call themselves Christians or not – they had better be following Jesus/Yeshua.

    • No the Jew are not to teach the Torah to Gentiles the Jews themselves are not to follow the Torah. You can’t be in Christ and follow old testament laws. All are in Christ Jew and Gentile, notice he didn’t give you a scripture that says you are to follow the Torah in the new testament. We must have new testament scripture for what we follow. If our faith is in Christ Jesus then it can not be in the Torah. All Christians follow the doctrine of Christ not the Torah.

      • Jerome. Jesus and the apostles and all the writers of the “New Testament” relied heavily on and quoted extensively from the Torah, which is God’s Instructions on who He is, what He expects, and how He designed us to live, interact, and worship the Father. May the Lord richly bless you as you study His whole Word!!!

          • He is referring to Torah. Those 1st five books which are foundational to and by which every word of the Bible must be judged. If it disagree with Torah, it is no of God. This includes the NT.

      • Torah was the only Scripture that existed in the days of Jesus and He said, “…the Scripture cannot be broken.” (John 10:35) But we must remember the purpose for all of Scripture–it is a “school master”. All of the rituals that Torah teaches present truth about who G-d is, and how He responds to His children. It identifies sin and the consequences of sin. But, Jesus the Messiah, called us to EXCEED the moral demands of Torah. Not only did He call us to love one another but to love our enemies as well.

        • Craig. Loving your enemies means only you give food & drink to your enemies when they are hungry & thirsty that they might become remorseful; you get to win their souls to God that way if they’re good seeds. I don’t know if I win any souls but I like it very much! This way, I get to stay good (in the Lord’s strength) like God is good! (It did take me long crushing course of forgiveness w/o any expectation & patient perseverance training though. Willingness is the key & it’s full of eternal value! Our Lord is kind!) Peace!

          • Helping an enemy when he is in need, in general, is expected, both by Yeshua and by the Torah: Exo. 23:5. Not only giving food or drink.

          • & Bless those who curse you & Pray for those who despitefully use you & persecute you. I am thinking blessing them w goodness & praying for their salvation is a huge distance but it’s all I can think of.

          • I didn’t get to the 2 greatest laws of loving God & neighbors. The Lord says if you hate anyone without just cause, you’re a murderer. If you lust in your heart, you’re already an adulterer. In Christ having received & walking in the Spirit is about what’s in the heart in love that spill over into acts of deeds & works leading to not hating but forgiving & loving all in Christ, neighbors & even enemies, to God w a wise heart, to those in Christ is sacrificial, to neighbors as self & to enemies food & drink. God bless.

        • Dear Lkchoy, Christ is fulfillment of the laws (specifically) which means those who are in Christ must do “everything” applied to them in the doctrine of Christ like love your God w all your heart & love your brothers & sisters in Christ attending in all of the churches of Christ near & far (under the grace of Christ) as the Jews must do everything applied to them in the law. Don’t be overwhelmed though, I was taught to be kind to everyone & help just the one & time the Lord put right before me among all else.😇

          • Just my tyake … The one who is righteous be faith shall live. The law doesn’t save anyone, it can’t. It can only condemn and kill. If I place myself under law after christ died and took the punishment for all the sins I will ever do then I am both trying to do the impossible while in effect saying Christ’s death was not sufficient which is blasphemy . Saying all this I am indwelt by the holy spirit. He guides me. I don’t have to (in I fact can’t) try and keep the law to be saved but I love God and as such want to do what God wants me to do wrt God and everyone else. I also trust God (sometimes) and I know as we all know that the law is beneficial to me and those around me. I try (and fail a lot) to keep the law not because I have to but because I now want to and by keeping it when I can I get the free benefits from it. When I try the holy spirit will help me. As John Piper says God gets all the glory and I/those around me get the benefit. ..Please God hold me close to you because I can’t hold myself close to you, Amen.

      • Please consider Matthew 5:17-19 where Jesus/Yeshua said to not change Torah by one jot or title. Additionally He said that those who did not keep it/teach it would be least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But those who did would be great in the Kingdom of Heaven.

        Doesn’t that seem clear that He wants us to keep Torah, as stated by Himself?

        • Hi Patricia, I don’t know if it’s clear but it’s common sense though; the Lord didn’t died on Cross to fulfill the laws in order to save us that we should break any bit of it; besides I think the Lord says all the laws hang on the 2 greatest love commandments. I think it’s obvious we in Christ are expected to live & behave like Him eventually w His divine help & strength, thank God!

        • I agree with Patricia, if you say you follow Y’shua. You should keep Torah. He did, and He tells us if You love Me keep My commandments.

      • We in Christ are saved by grace through faith in Christ. They were broken off because of their unbelief to make room for us. They are the natural branches & God will graft them in again NOW if discontinued in unbelief in Yeshua. King David called Him “our Lord” in the psalms. He is our Sar Shalom in Isaiah 9:6. The Lord Christ Jesus says in Matthew 23:39, “For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, ‘BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD.’ in Jerusalem, as a nation?

      • Then if ,these so-called Christians are following The B’rit Hadashah /New Testament and are not following and studying Torah and the Tanakh then they are not real Christians .To understand what Y’Shua and His Talmidim and Emissaries are saying comes from the Torah and Tanakh .So when you reject Torah and the Tanakh you are rejecting Y’Shua who wrote the Word of G-d and the Word of G-d is Y’Shua .Read John /Yochanan the First Chapter and read Hebrews for starters .

    • Rabbi Baruk Rubin, as a Messianic believer in Yeshua we delight in the Torah. For without the Torah we could not delight in the B’rit Hadassah and the fullfilment of our Creators promises. Blessed be He. For it is written: My People Perish for Lack of Knowledge.

    • Isaiah 60:16, The Lord shall cry as a woman in Travail, or giving birth too 42:14. Androgyny in the scriptures? Yowldah,

      • “as a woman” makes it a metaphor. Androgreny is associated with Lucifer in the representation of the Baphomet. Hence we see the culture of multigenderism becoming more and more prominent as the Antichrist system of Babylon establish itself in preparation for the man of sin to be revealed.

        • Since I read the Gnostic Gospels I have been studying into both Greek and Hebrew to hear what we are not hearing from the spirit, There are kings with female Breast you shall suck, Isaiah 60:16, The Greeks have an Androgynous deity called Hermaphroditus, to read Galatians 3:28, to a Greek would be different here, than A Roman, or Jew even.

    • One is important as the other.The Torah is in the old concealed & the new is in the old revealed.Yeshua taught that we had to love the Lord God with all of our hearts,minds bodies & souls & to love our neighbour as ourselves.These 2 are the greatest commandments.

  2. I disagree that the ritual of washing with water is symbolic of being baptized in Christ in Galatians (going out confessing their sins). That was John’s baptism. Those who have been justified by faith are baptized by the Holy Spirit. The emphasis is on the voice. The heavens were opened, the Spirit of God descended, and the voice revealed the son. (Matthew 3:16). Where is the voice in the ritual?

    • Baptism = dying with Christ, and coming up out of the water = resurrected with Christ from the death of sin into a new life of which all the old things have dissapeared and we have become new creatures Read Romans 6 for clarification

      • What fulfilled all righteousness Jesus getting baptized by John or the Spirit descending on Jesus and a voice from heaven saying, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.” I need to see God’s work in my life to believe anything I do will last and be fruitful!

      • Baptism is neither Jewish not Christian as it is about cleansing. The ritual of baptism is born out of the deluge where YHWH God washed away the sins of the world through a flood of water. A global cleansing or baptism, if you will. When Pharoah and his soldiers drowned in the sea after Moses and the Israelites went through, it was a cleansing of the transgressors and at the same time a baptism for the Israelites. Thus it is not own to man but exclusive to YHWH God. He would continue this process of cleansing though a commandment for the disciples to Baptise in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

    • Hear O Israel, The Lord our God is one Lord, we are 2 Jew or Gentile, Bond or Free, male or Female, But through his body, and flesh we are no longer 2 but one.

    • you must be born of water and spirit Kat, not one or the other, one is water baptism, the other of the spirit. or Holy Ghost baptism, we are to see each as the one from water first then the spirit.

      • Shane, I was secular, committed to Exodus 19:8, and later repented. Nobody saw me as one, they saw me as something that needed to be replaced (reached). Nobody tried to show me why I was saved, they wan’t me to know without a doubt I was a sinner. Why would it have been too far of a stretch for me to be saved (nope I was not baptized either)? One absolute reason is I did not have a Biblical language.

        • Ezekiel says we can even be sprinkled by water and saved, Kat, and Paul also says we are washed by the water of the word, so we are all covered whether baptized, sprinkled with water, or just calling on the name of the Lord.

        • That too, Ex 19:8, is the old testament too, without the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus, which Paul explains in Roman chapter 6 too, but we are also saved by grace through faith too, not of works least any man should boast, if you won’t use the name of The father you can use that of the Son for instance, and any interpretation you want to of it.

        • Also because Jesus was born of a woman who knew no man, by the Angel Gabriel telling her this would happen after he also appeared to Zachariah as well, he would through his mother be Jewish, but he had no male as his father, by this he would be Gentile as well. Plus you would normally Stone Mary, because she was betrothed, According to Deuteronomy 24, But she insisted she wasn’t with a man, to Joseph and he spared her, why, if a woman was raped by a man in the city and didn’t cry out both of them were to be stoned, but the man, if male made Mary think he was Gabriel, or maybe a Hermaphrodite, because she insisted he wasn’t a man, as did she, but like with the woman in Adultery they didn’t bring, or have the man, but Gabriel said it would be by the spirit she would conceive, though Elizabeth conceived by Zachariah, as the reincarnation of Elijah, to produce John, Mary was overshadowed by the spirit, not Gabriel either, it placed Jesus in her womb, as an embryo.

          • Reincarnated? I don’t think that can be a proper interpretation of the John the Baptist “being Elijah”. More likely he performs the function of Elijah. “ For it is given man once to die and after that, the judgement “

        • So again it is fine if you aren’t baptized either, our judge is the light of life, the spirit inside and outside of us, but in Deut. 22:22-30 we might get an understanding as to why an angel convinced Joseph to marry Mary, anyway.

  3. Dr. Eli: Very good point and I would add that the message of “Jew nor Greek” is entirely wrapped in a salvation context. G-d is “no respecter of men” that He would leave the Gentiles out of eternal grace. It is a Jewish New Covenant (see Jeremiah 31:31) that Gentiles (me included) get to be a part of (see Romans 11). I think Paul clears up this question with his rule to the Churches (1 Corinthian 7:17-24). Dr. Eli, I so appreciate this important fact about our respective identities and I am glad that you are sharing it—Kathy B.

    • Many thanks, Kathy. Many have confused the issue by deJudaizing the Jews and deNationizing the Nations. It must not be done. Both are VERY IMPORTANT.

      • Hello sir. Can you help me to understand this verse pleas .Geneses 25 :22 when Rebekha went to inquire the lord which god she went because the area was not femilear with God of Abraham and only Isaac was femilear with God of abram. But she did not go to Isaac but someone else?

        • Well, Melchizedek was a contemporaneous priest of the Lord, so to be sure there was a seer through whom to inquire of the Lord (as in the days of the Judges). Incidentally, the Jewish commentator Rashi says that Rebecca went to Shem, the son of Noah, which according to Jewish tradition is in fact Melchizedek. I think Rebecca was familiar with God, and it is technically possible that she simply prayed and plead, and God heard her and responded, but the example of the Bible is to seek God through a seer.

  4. Yes, as Paul said, “There is neither Jew nor Greek” and never was as God never meant there to be. God chose the Jew as His special people to introduce Him to the Gentile. Human beings are all God’s beloved creation, and He wants ALL His children to return to Him and love Him so He can shower them with His love.

    • God so loved the WORLD ( Jew and Gentiles) that He gave His only begotten Son, that all whom would believe in Him should not perish , but have life everlasting. This verse of scripture says it all as both Jew and Gentile is now one in Jesus Christ, and all whom believe falls under the NEW covenant which Christ sealed with His blood

      • Thank you for quoting this precious text. Jew, Gentile, We are ALL on e brethren if truly converted in Christ Jesus. It is a certainty that not all the O/T Israelites were Godly. O how rebellious and how often we read of them turning away from the true and living God to idolatry. Remember also that we are ALL children of Adam and Noah. I thank our great God in that He so loved the world even to the giving of His only begotten Son that through Him we might have life. There is One God and one Heaven.

      • Seek God for salvation & relationship. Ask God for His Holy Spirit. Knock (Christ is the door to heaven & kingdom of God), pursue Christ. God will give & Yeshua the Messiah will come in Spirit (before His physical return). This is still the year of Jubilee, a great harvest of blessings & salvation of eternal souls! Shalom.

  5. I get frustrated over this topic, because even though people say there is no more discrimination there certainly is, in the minds of people even though they say there is not. No gentiles don’t become Jew’s upon converting and believing in the Jewish Messiah. Paul says they become a part of Israel. Jews are a part of Israel by birth and blood line. Gentiles become Israel through the blood line of the Messiah. (Ephesians 2). The People Israel are comprised of anyone, no matter what they used to be before believing in the Jewish Messiah becoming Israel.

  6. Ruth was a Moabite, she became Israel and was the great grandmother to the King of Israel David, how could David be King or go into the Temple, he wasn’t 10 generations out. Because upon her conversion and faith in the G-d of Israel she was no longer a Moabites, she was a part of Israel. No longer Jew or Greek (Gentile) but Israel. Abraham was not a Jew, he was the first Hebrew. Jews come from the tribe of Judah! There are 12 tribes. Only Israel is a part of the New Covenant Jer 31:31. House of Judah (Jews)&

    • The NEW covenant is for Jew and Gentile as Christ made them both one in His body on the cross.When you take communion,the bread is His body and the wine His blood under the new covenant( This is the new covenant in My blood )

    • The God of Abraham, Issac & Jacob is Ruth’s God. She was did declare to Naomi. God did accept even foreigners (I think more so in ways) among the Hebrews; those who worship Him & do things the ways of His people in the OT. Jer 31:34 The new covenant is to Judah & Israel, the 2 tribes & kingdoms left while the rest fall away. But “all” would know the LORD because He was writing it in their hearts soul this time. God also did the same in our hearts that we know God, even non believers!

  7. The spanish people could be an ecseption because we ´re 48% population with Jews family names. Mostly fathe and mother branches, like me. Recently Ulpan School and Israel´s embassy have published the list of jews family conversed from XV-XVII centurys , taken from the Spanish Inquisition´s Acts. It´s curious. Mostly of us. Thank to Godfather. We have a little peace of Holly Land. Haapy weekwnd

  8. I try to get the point across, using the analogy of Adoption, as in being grafted in. IN a nutshell, a child adopted (grafted) into a family is legally in every way as much a part of the family as the natural born children. Adopted children become one with the family; brothers and sisters with the other children with no distinction, yet the adopted child is not of the blood line. The adopted child accepts and embraces the ways and customs of the adopting parents.

    • Yes, but this works as all analogies only to the point that there is one to one correspondence and while this analogy (I of course admit it) is near perfect it is not perfect in a sense that Paul insists that distinction between Jews and Nations must be maintained for the greater glory of God.

        • 1 Cor. 7:18: “18 Was a man already circumcised when he was called? He should not become uncircumcised. Was a man uncircumcised when he was called? He should not be circumcised.”

        • This verse has nothing to do with « distinctions (…) being MAINTAINED » : This verse is about being CALLED (circumcised or not). Because in the end, circumcision is « nothing », in other words : « forget about it and live with it ! ». Moreover, you had in the end of your first comment that this distinction is « for the greater glory of God » … 1 Cor 7:18 having clearly nothing to do with the question at hand (except if you take it out of context as you do) my question remains …

        • If you believe the flood story There are 3 sons Noah had, and only a grandson Canaan was cursed by Noah for being naked with him in his tent, But all of us are their descendants. We are all related through Noah.

        • Say, don’t Semites includes the Arabs (No offense to them)? We are spiritual children of Abraham (only through the line of Issaic). Even all physical descendants of Abraham need the Messiah Yeshua the One mighty to save. I didn’t know it is heaven & God when my heart was homesick but not any home on earth. I thought I must have God & His help in my life, thank God; I just rented a place on my own alone & refused to do anything at all. The Lord came w His invisible presence & w heavenly choir from my radio.

  9. Do you obey the acts 2:38 message if so in Jesus name all are accepted and have a level playing field jew,greek,gentile if you obey it no prob nuffsaid

  10. Agreed. As I see it, distinction between Jew and gentile is still critical because it is only in this distinction that life is produced. Sameness never produces life as much as post-moderns would have us to believe. Torah is good if one uses it correctly. Acts 15 gives proper understanding of for Jewish and non-Jewish adherence of Torah in Messiah, yes? I believe proper relation to authority is the issue. One in a Messianic congregation would not try to implement their praxis at the First Assemblies of God down the street, and neither would it work vice versa. Mutual blessing.

  11. How then do we understand Romans 2:28-29? “For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly; neither is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.” – NASB-95. This passage seems to be quite pointed/precise concerning who are and who are not Jews – regardless of bloodline.

      • The voice of God is clearly heard by His own – those He chose for Himself (Eph.1:4). The “REMNANT” and not the “REST” is the focal point of His love and blessings. Jesus came to “save His people from their sins” (Matt.1:21), and the Spirit regenerates each one (Jn.6:63; Tit.3:5). His own only know, hear, and follow their Shepherd (Jn.10:4-5,8,14), for there is only “one flock with one Shepherd” (Jn.10:16). Replacement Theology does not recognize/understand the extended metaphor of “the Vine” (Jn.15) or its application (Rom.9-11). Are true Christians “sons of Abraham” according to the promise?

  12. I have an interesting thing to mull over ,how many of the ten lost tribes of Israel are in fact a large part living in the European zone and also migrated to other continents so are really not gentiles . Also how many of the refugees that have recently invaded Europe and Scandinavia are from the same Lost tribes?

    • I recently heard a great joke by Jackie Mason (of the blessed memory). He said I am absolutely mad at all Chinese!!!! (then he explains). “Because I never see them in Jewish All You Can Eat Restaurants!!!!”. 🙂

  13. I can`t express in english my thougts the way I would like and I need. From my own condition of christian, very deeply christian, I’am really intersted in judaism, I’am convinced both jews and christians mean, and have, a key, THE key, each one in order to the other. They need each one to the other in order to their real and respective fullfillment and accomplishement. . Long, very long, to talk about it, just (being quite audacios) to let stablished such a statement. Shalom.

  14. What about Gal. 3: 29? “If you be Christ’s then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the Promise.” I understand that as saying we are all now of Abraham’s seed and can lay hold of all that God promised Abraham in the Abrahamic Covenant. Christ translated from the Greek is “the anointed One and His anointing.” Christ Jesus is the anointing of Jesus, and Jesus Christ is Jesus the anointed One or the Messiah. Christ was a word that was never translated. It has no meaning whatsoever in English, thus people take it as Jesus’ last name.

  15. So, Dr. Eli, have you spoken of the one new man spoken of in Ephesians? Just respectfully asking, because I had never seen it there before, and there it is in plain sight in Eph. 2 and Eph 3. (Complete Jewish Bible)

    • Those of us who do accept Pauline authorship of Ephesians (that is doubted by many scholars) do see this very clearly!

    • It interests me and I invite feedback that, in Ephesians 2, it states that Gentiles becoming part of the commonwealth of Israel is built on the foundation of the apostles and the prophets, with the cornerstone being Christ. Torah is not mentioned here. Is this significant? I also believe that we are grafted into Christ as the only true true Israel, He being root, stump and branch according to various prophecies.

      • We the wild branches ( Gentiles) have been grafted into the tame Olive tree ( Israel ) and both are fed by the same root Jesus- the root of David and the bright morning star

  16. I still cannot believe how so many people are offended with Gentiles being grafted into the good olive tree and reject the Jews who are the natural branches. It is just another stupid twist on Replacement Theology. It is so clear from both Old Covenant and New Covenant that Jews are Jews and Gentiles become blessed even as Jews because we have the same faith as Abraham. We become one new man in Christ together with the Jews because the middle wall of partition between us is abolished. Replacement stuff is just denial of God’s eternal covenant with Israel.

    • Amen, and not only that. If the God of Israel can be shown to be unfaithful to the original chosen people HOW IN THE WORLD CAN GENTILES bank on HIS FAITHFULNESS?????!?!??!?!?!? They can’t.

      • Hosea 1:10 & Romans 9:26 “And in the very place where it was said to them, ‘You are not My people,’ they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’” God is proving always He is faithful working in the lives of many I see in my outreach & sustaining this world. Yet we still must walk by faith. The Lord says to believe in God & believe also in me. Rest in God this Sabbath, Children of God? The Lord be w you..

  17. I think James expressed it best on what the Torah expects of the Gentiles that believe in Yeshua. He said in Acts 21:25 what those four things are. There is no need that a Gentile become a Jew ( circumcision ) nor a Jew reject the Torah. There is so much the Jews can show the Gentiles from the scriptures and the Gentiles in their pride reject this with a really ignorant understanding of grace. We might be free from the laws but we must fulfill the righteousness it reveals. Thank you, Yeshua for the Word, all 66 books !

    • I agree that James (really Yakov/Yakobus in Greek) says just for things. But they are not really four things (or four laws), these are four summaries of whole list of things that is forbidden to sojourners with Israel (Lev. 17-21). The reason those Jews did not argue about it (Acts 15) is because it has been already a common Jewish knowledge.

  18. I think I’m closer to ‘Gentiles as Jews’ than you are Dr Eli. The Romans passage about broken off / grafted in suggests to me that I’ve been grafted into the same religion that someone like Caiaphas was broken off from, and while there is a distinction (as per the rulings of the first apostles to Paul/Saul), I claim chapters 2 & 3 of Revelation (surely written to ‘mixed’ churches?) as proof that our Saviour sees us as ‘Jews’, of course, of the sect that believes in Him as Messiah. Aargh! Not enough words! 🙂

    • Just a small correction: The Greek of Romans 11 does not say what translations make it to say (BROKEN OFF), it uses different phraseology. “Broken” you can even translate as “BEND.” OFF sends the interpreter in the direction of replacement theology (Christians are now Jews), but Paul (the real Paul I mean) never meant what the translators made him to say. For serious discussion about this issue please consult my mentor and friend, Mark Nanos. You may read his paper at http://www.marknanos.com/BrokenBranches-8-1-08.pdf

  19. The scriptures need to b reread.” It is finished”. The work of salvation and reconciliation of both Jews and Greek is accomplished but accessible through faith in the redemptive work of The Messiah. Distinction is important as only in the flesh but this distinction becomes unification wrt being one Spiritually in Christ through faith in Jesus Christ. Saul was distinct as a Jew but this could not save him. Distinction in the flesh is important but unification through Faith, the more.

      • Would you agree that being a God loving faithful Jew or a God loving faithful Gentile takes second place to being a God loving faithful child of God? After all, for now, we are all mortal. One day, the forgiven, will all be one in Jesus as He is one with the Father.

  20. Thank you, Dr. Eli. I have read that verse many times but never thought about it in this way. I like it that Gentiles are considered just as important as the Jews but are still recognized as our own group. Then, it’s not the Jewishness that makes someone acceptable to God, but it’s having the seal of Jesus Christ. I have a question that kind of relates to this topic. Though Scripture was speaking to the ancient Jews, can we consider that God speaks personally through Scripture to each Christian today? Or is Scripture only applicable to the Jews?

    • No, in a sense that God in the Bible spoke to THEM, not to us. BUT YES in a sense that, if properly understood, the same applies to all of us as well.

      • So does that mean that I can apply parts of Scripture to myself personally? For example, in Isaiah 43:4, when God is telling Israel, “…You are precious in my sight, and honored, and I love you”, I had always thought that God was speaking that to me, too. However, when I read the rest of its context in the previous verses and the verses after, it doesn’t seem to relate to me much at all. So, since those other verses can’t be applied to me, does that mean that God really is not speaking to me in verse 4?

        • Well… that’s correct he is not speaking to THERE in THAT context to you personally, however, that is not to say that YOU SHOULD draw great comfort and encouragement from these words as well. These words in God’s providence are also for your heart. What is important is that we should always remember that we must take the pain to understand the meaning of the original messages to be sure that we are applying this messages to ourselves properly.

        • Rachel, through prayer & devotions, a verse given to you is personal & comes w His power to do the work & accomplish it like “He sent the word & healed them.” Ps 107:20. But it’s natural to find delight & comfort in God’s goodness regardless whom it is for; it’s all for our development & our relationship w God. Just remember, God alone is wise! If you like it, praise God. If you dislike it, work all the more harder. The key I’m learning in spiritual matter is to “respond” well, truthfully & firmly to all of God’s words.

        • Rachel, By respond well, I mean to say being closely w God & being in peace w God because words of God revealed who God is. There are 3 levels w Christians being a child for sincere milk of the Gospel, being a son for meat of the word of God & being a father for discernment by use of the word of God. Praise to our Lord Jesus Christ Yeshua the Messiah!

  21. Christians got to grafted into the Olive Tree if YISREAL and do EVERYTHING YESHUA DID. NOT PICK AND CHOOSE. 99.9% CHRISTIANS DO nor OBSERVE SHABBAT NOR FEAST. Still into non kosher etc. Their ecuses *we have Jesus and He did on and ALL nailed to that cross* Even so called MESSIANIC(not all but many are the same like the Christian). Those who can See the TORAH or the whole BIBLE with Jewish lenses will understand who Yeshua is and who HE came for and what is TORAH. Yeshua is TORAH period.

  22. Thank you, Its clear, neither male nor female, or jew or gentile we are all one in Yehsua, but this is one the most misinterpreted bible verse,

    • The question is in which way it is true. Certainly it is not true in every way (for example gay marriage would not be ok, right? why because men and women are still different) although ONE in some way (all need Christ and are saved by Christ).

  23. Faithful Jews are those who shachah ADONAY YHWH and HIS Mashiach, Adoni YaHshua. Faithful Gentiles are those who shachah ADONAY YHWH and HIS Mashiach, Adoni YaHshua. Those who shachah ADONAY YHWH are called YAHudim. Both the words “Jew” as well as “Christian” are nicknames given by the public at large to these two groups of people. These nicknames were not scriptural designations given by ELOHIM.

  24. Related to this topic, when Revelation of Jesus Christ speaks of “those who keep the commandments and hold to the testimony of Christ”, do you believe these are referring to two groups of people ( Jews and nations) or one? are the commandments referred to the Torah or is the royal law of Christ (which both groups must clearly follow) that Paul talks about something different?

    • I think this phrase is a common Hebrew parallelism, which of course means that this is ONE and the same thought just told differently so know in this I do not imagine two separate groups being addressed.

  25. If The Kingdom is heavenly (Jn 18.36; Heb 11.13c-16), then why would GOD distinguish between Jew and Gentile (Rom 9:3b-8 ? What would it matter? If we have been grafted “in,” then what are we only partially inside? What are we separated just-so-much from? Is that how grafting works? The graft is the strongest point of the new branch. Agreed, some rituals are for those who share a certain history because GOD is graceful–to ease the grafting. Those who accept the newcomers, and those who at least seek to understand why God gave the first oracles will be stronger.

    • Geralyn, Children of God are citizens of the heavenly kingdom & we’re fully in spiritually even the holy of holies. We have no reasons to break the 10 commendments if we do follow the teaching of Christ. The Spirit of the Lord had always led me to rest on Sabbath in early years of my salvation but now outreach. He also led me to be aware of the feasts of the LORD because they are God’s appointed times for us. It’s not about becoming Jews but about the coming of the Lord. It’s more complicated for the Jews.

  26. To my mind reading thru all these comments leaves one more confused. Firstly, Jesus was born a Jew and died as a Jew believing in the Torah. Secondly, Jesus spoke in parables to the common people see Matthew 13 v10 thus man tried to make sense thereof.[ even Peter was also confused at tiimes] but Paul was direct in what he tried to say to the people or congregations, excuse my saying it, but should we not call it the Pauline faith. Thirdly, speaking to Jewish believers, they do not consider the Messiah had arrived according to the scriptures.

  27. Paul’s statements go beyond human concepts of discrimination. If you have received Jesus, then you are a different creature, a new thing in God. What characteristics you had before that are less important, perhaps meaningless, including being a Jew who wants to be saturated with Jewishness. The Body of Christ are all those people who have become this new creature (image) of God through Jesus. This is the only thing that should be primarily important to one who has ears to hear. Additionally, Jesus was not a slave to Jewish custom.

  28. Are all men women? Are all women men? of course not. Gal 3 is not saying Christians are Jews. Any who interpret that way and missing Paul’s context.

  29. I am an Indian follower of the Lord Jesus Christ (you cannot get any more gentile than an Indian!). As I witness to my countryman, I am often ridiculed and opposed by them with this remark, “What Kind of God is He, who has favorites”. Then I come across gentile followers of Jesus who appears to me that their theology is we must now be ‘all things’ Jewish. I believe for the Jews and the Gentiles, the game changer was the birth of the Lord Jesus Christ. Both worlds (Jewish and the Gentile) were shifted into One New Man.

  30. Dr. Eli, thank you for the insight. Just one thing though that I keep seeing in your writings is a phrase “Israel’s God” perhaps more appropriately it would be the God of Israel (i.e. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob). It was God who sort Israel, revealed himself to Abraham and cut covenant; He is the self-existent One. The earth is the Lord’s and the fullness thereof, the worlds and the people therein (Ps 24:1). I find it is this ‘claim’ to God that leads to class-ism and is exactly what Paul was trying to address in the text you have expounded

  31. Although I did not go through every comment regarding the subject, the comments I did go through, and their subsequent responses, I found no reference to Romans 11:17,19,23,24. So apparently there is a grafting ‘in’ which end result means part of the ‘same.’ There can be no other interpretation.

  32. Yes, there is no discrimination for those baptized into Christ, but wouldn’t the ritual of baptism (after the fact) imply the opposite (one must become Jewish to be saved)? This sounds like replacement theology reversed. I question the ritual of baptism because Matthew 28:19 implies that “we” must become Christians (the full nine yards) to be saved. How else could we be baptized?

  33. I humbly assert that what is often overlooked is the context of Matthew 28:16-20, commonly referred to as the ‘Great Commission’. Let’s break this down…………… We have the Jewish Messiah speaking to His Jewish Disciples. The jist of what He (Messiah) said to them (The Disciples) is recorded in 19-20. Who were they (the Disciples) to in turn make disciples of [the ethnos; “ἔθνος” Gentiles (93x), nation (64x), heathen (5x), people (2x)] What were they (The Disciples) commanded to teach them (ethnos) that He (Messiah) commanded them to obey? TORAH!!!!

    • What then are those from the Nations to do? Provoke the Jew to jealousy by walking out Torah already in your mind and written on your heart!

  34. Dear brother Eph.2 : 19 doesn’t tell that goyim become members of a israely commonwealth, but stones of one temple, citizens of the same kingdom. When a jewish believes in Yeshoua he doesn’t become a goy, and when a goy believes in Yeshoua he doesn’t become jewish, but the both became citizens of the kingdom of Elohim. A new people in a new covenant.

  35. Who are the Jews today? Jews by blood or by believer of the laws (Torah), What are those who call themselves Jews? Christian is one who follows the teachings of Christ, in that case we are all Jews according to Paul. And not because of Judah’s offsprings.

    • Please, go to BLOG section and then search for the word PAUL. You will get several studies that will help you.

  36. So the Jews are descendants of Judah, one of the 12 sons of Israel. There are 10 lost tribes out there related to the descendants of Israel and will become part of Israel starting even now. Descendants from the tribe of Manasseh have returned to Israel. In my church most of us have been designated to belonging to the tribe of Ephraim whether literal or adopted. There is a lot more descendants of Israel out there so Israel is a whole lot more than just the Tribe of Judah.

  37. This is false teaching. Christians are the Jews. “A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.”. Romans 3:28-3:29

  38. Love your short blogs. In all the replies I read I keep hearing how we are free from the law. And yes we are free from the law in sense that we do not have to memorize them and check we are following them. Yet I haven’t heard anyone speak of what Jesus said. He was not destroying or abolishing the law. He was not removing one word. He said He will place it on our hearts. I have found that to be part of my growth in Christ. My salvation. So in my way of thinking yes the Torah is very important. The old testament as was said is a foundation for our Christian beliefs. I read the book Revelation Decoded and Rabbi Schneider gives a great explanation of the relationship. Thank you again for your insights.

  39. Good question. My answer is Christian are not now Jews. Christian’s have not and will never be Jews now or in the future. Replacement theology is contrary to Gods words. Jeremiah 31:35-37 (New Internation Version)
    35 This is what the LORD says, he that appoints the sun to shine by day, who decreed the moon and stars to shine by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar-the LORD Almighty is his name: 36 “Only if these decrees vanish from my sight,” says the LORD, “will the descendants of Israel ever cease to be a nation before me.” 37 This is what the LORD says: “Only if the heavens above can be measured and the foundations of the earth below be searched out will I reject all the descendants of Israel because of all they have done,” declares the LORD.

  40. “The distinction between Jews and Greeks/Gentiles was not abolished, just as the distinction between men and women was not abolished either (this point is VERY IMPORTANT)”
    Really important, I agree! In my church recently, some persons were almost eloquently sweeping off people’s consciousness of gender separation, quoting this same scripture (Gal. 3), claiming that “male” and “female” are just mere social constructs. If no one had eventually stood up to them, we might have had people beginning to court beliefs in the fluidity of sexual orientation. So subtle. They meant well, trying to get men not to stick with most of our African traditions of overburdening women with work. However, they misapplied this scripture to a different scenario.

  41. Dr. Eli,
    Greetings in the Name Of Jesus Christ!
    Please, if Adam did not sin and disobey the Almighty Creator God, will there be need for the Jewish Nation?
    Due to sin, the Sovereign God raised Abraham that through him the Savior will be born to deliver mankind from sin.
    Apostle Peter in Acts 10:34 – 35, made it clear that God is not partial, and He is not.
    It appears most of your teachings tend to portray the Almighty God as partial.
    He is no respecter of persons. Anyone, from any nation who fears,trusts and obeys Him, He accepts.
    Jesus Christ died and resurrected to bring Jews and Gentiles into one Nation or one Body, the Church.
    The Church is made up of Jews and Gentiles. A genuine Christian, born again is a member of the Church, whether Jew or Gentile. Trying to differentiate between Christians and Jews is unscriptural, because there are Jews who are Christians.
    The Church or Christians are superior to Jews ( without Christ ). Christians are the Church, individually, collectively and universally. In Christ there is only ONE body, the Church, Christians made up of – Jews and Gentiles-
    Romans 2:28-29, made it clear that the true Jews are those who are Jews inwardly, not outwardly.
    The real children of Abraham are those who are of faith. – The Church- Galatians 3:26 – 29 –
    Anyone from any Nation, who fears God, trusts and obeys Him, He accepts. As many as receives Jesus Christ, God gives power to become His child, power to live in newness of life.

  42. Happy Sukkot. We are all different in our views, ways, etc…. Just like the four species used in the offering, yet they become “Oneness”.

    Blessings

  43. dear Dr. Eli,
    isn’t the God of Abraham, Issac, Jacob, the God of Noah all the way back to Adam? if so, then the Jews are worshiping the God of the Universe and the God of the Universe is the God of all people/creation, even the atheists, therefore, to say that the Gentiles are worshiping the God of Israel, is a bit misleading statement…Regards, Gevara

  44. When I gave this answer I was not only described as mentally unbalanced, having delusional hallucinations but labelled , “religiously preoccupied.” I leave it in God’s hand’s

  45. Thank you so much for the talk with Joseph Shulam. I grew up with a deep awe for the Jews, the chosen people of G-d. But as child I felt repelled by the “Israel fans” wrapped in strange clothes, shaking tambourines. Your interview brought so much clarity and peace! It filled me with gratefulness to live as who I am created: A gentile follower of the Jewish Messiah. My question now is about baptism. As I know, the “mikweh” is for cleansing of uncleanness (e.g. monthly ritual for women, after healing), or when someone turned back from sin,

  46. , or it was one part of becoming a proselyte. Since this is a Jewish ritual or to become a Jew, why did Jesus tell the disciples to baptize the people of the nations (Mat.28)? And is baptism today a “must” a “should” or just what one prefers?

    • Immersing in a mikveh is a physical sign of a change in identity. Yes in Judaism, converts officially change their identity from Gentile to Jew. But it is more than just that; it is a cleansing of the impure to become pure. Therefore it was part of John’s ministry as repenting sinners confessed and changed their identity to people dedicated to God and His commandments (which is still the case for believers today).

  47. Thank you, the “sign of a change in identity”-this makes sense! What would you recommend for the situation I had and now my children have: I grew up in a family following Yeshua and decided to follow Him when I was 6 but wasn’t baptized then. I was baptized when I was 13. I always wonder about it, because the baptism was much later then the start of my new life! What would you recommend? Can/should there be a rectification of the baptism (for my children)?

    • Didn’t you repent and profess Messiah as your Lord before witnesses in Baptism? So what is there to rectify, Gabi? It is time to move on and live your life in your new identity as a faithful believer and obedient servant to God’s Word and raise your children in the faith!

  48. Oh, I have not explained it well. I don‘t question my baptism. I just wondered, why I was baptised at the age of 13 and not 6! And my children started to follow Yeshua when they were small, but they are not baptized yet. So it seems that baptism in our churches comes too late and is like rectifying the descision to follow Yeshua.

    • Well, in Judaism, the age of reasoning is 13, meaning this is the age when a person takes responsibility for his own actions. It is also the age of Bar and Bat Mitzvah, when a person devotes himself to following God’s commandments. It is no wonder to me that a church would wait until such an age to Baptize, but I wouldn’t call it an unrectified situation.

  49. It seams the Word rectifying is bothering you. I found it in google translater. Doesn‘t it mean to do something later than suposed?

    • Oh, I see, yes. Rectify means to correct a problem later than it should have been done. I would say “delayed” because I don’t see your situation as necessarily problematic. That’s all. Just semantics.

  50. When discussing about Jews and Christians, please, take into consideration Isaiah 11: esp. vv.1-3. I only say this, it is not a new tree planted in place of an old; rather a shoot from the stump, i.e., the same tree. 2nd, Deuteronomy 18:18 “A prophet like you from among their brethren; I will put my words in his mouth…” Not another’s words, but the Lord’s. Mark 9:7 & Luke 9:35 “This is my beloved Son; listen to him.”

  51. It is certainly true that there is no discrimination … but the NT position is that national Jews (if we allow the 1948 UN view to stand) are not Biblical Jews. Only those circumcised in their hearts or ‘born again’ are considered Abraham’s seed.

  52. ‘In those days there was no king in Israel. Everyone did what was right in his own eyes.’ Reading all this confusion and ideas makes me think of this verse. It’s as if there is no God in the world and everyone comes up with his/her own ideas thinking it is right. Where is the humility and willingness to listen to the true God and think maybe my ideas are wrong? Hear oh Israel…..is maybe saying Listen oh Israel….

  53. I am a born and baptized Christian who has spent the last 25years studying the Bible and there is zero doubting the centrality of Torah. Actually virtually all of Jesus’ own teachings are from Torah if not directly then via one or another OT book. You cannot FULLY understand the NT without understanding the OT plus a lot of other Jewish things besides. Therefore to your question a very African answer; yebo no, ja nee, yes no, we are but we are not. Exciting, because we are positively moving towards the falling away of all these man made boundaries. Hallelujah!

  54. According to the words of HaShaliach Shaul I seem to qualify as a Jew, due to the circumcision of my heart:
    Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

  55. Dr Eli, scriptures says we’re coheir w our Lord Christ Jesus who is the Prince of peace; His Kingdom has no end & His scepter righteousness. It’s for all (scriptures say the Jews first but isn’t it actually all Abraham’s descendants? through Jacob that is & then the Gentiles) who believe & receive the Lord. (We children of God from the Gentiles are spiritually Abraham’s descendants, I assume Abraham as the heavenly embrace & blest, in the heavenly kingdom w God). Didn’t God promise Israel a 1000 years reign on earth w our Lord enthroned as their king? Shalom!

  56. Dr Eli, No, we in Christ aren’t Jews but are spiritual Levi. Can I please seek some advice from you? I believe you’re saved. Jews TODAY can ASK Yeshua to come into their life & be their SAVIOR & LORD & go through preparation & water baptism. As for believing & receiving, what can I tell them? I am witnessed & they asked; I am praying for them (so very close but??). God works in ways we know not??? God bless you.

    • Thanks for your question CB, but I don’t quite follow. There is a veil over Israel’s eyes because typically negative memories and feelings (from persecution, inquisition, crusades) arise at the mention of Jesus’ name. But once the fullness of the Gentiles is come, the veil will be removed, and Israel will recognize her brother, Yeshua the Teacher that came as the suffering servant to save the world. In God’s timing, He will make it happen.

    • I think most Bibles get it right: “So then, [the] faith/belief/fidelity [is] from hearing, and/but hearing through the word of God.”

  57. Dr. Eli…
    Just love your site, but can’t ever find it !!
    Don’t know how I found it today, it was just here.. lol
    I don’t know how to save and do all the good things on here… (I am just here)
    I have been on your site before, but was a long time ago.. Glad I found this !!
    I need your prayers.. TY… Myra Watkins

  58. Dr Eli
    Where did you train? Which university did you graduate from? When and where did you learn Biblical Hebrew and Koine Greek?

    The Christ died for Adam’’s descendants. God used Abraham to bring the Saviour into the world. See Peters problem in Galatians 2.

  59. I lived your explanation of the not being Jew or Gentle, male ir female, etc. I do question your assertion that Gentiles join the commonwealth of Israel, given that Paul said, He made of the two one new man. Again, Paul says the only thing that matters is “the new creature.” i think there is only one Kingdom, however it is populated by a new creation, not old Jews or Gentiles. Blessings.

  60. This is the same problem of Galatians, Jews introducing law to a faith based family. Ludicrous and dangerous. Holding onto Jewish heritage.

  61. I love Torah and have learned so much. I believe that all of Scripture points to Messiah/Jesus. I was taught in Christian Bible College that the New Testament was concealed in the old and the Old Testament is revealed in the New. As you say born again gentiles are part of the common wealth of Israel. I don’t see Torah as laws but as a way of living. if you think about everything is govern by laws. What Torah has done for me is taught me to appreciate the Sabbath and the Feast. Thank you for your teachings.

    • Thank you for sharing this Scarlet. Augustine actually wrote that quote. But anyway, yes, Torah is much better translated as instructions than as law. It’s instructions for a Godly community: it’s a way of living.

  62. When were men ever preferred above women in the kingdom of God? I thought Judaism was the earliest, and really the only culture to hold men and women equal, though with different purpose/duties.

  63. All Paul is saying is we are God’s children since he chooses us we are saved. Yehozhua hamashiach is the original form of our Lord’s name. As it is said. How odd for God to choose the Jews. Not so odd the Jews choose God. And in the American constitution: all men are created equal. So even though politically religiously and so forth we may express our individual interests, we are all Adama. From the dust of the Earth. As well, God made Adam as a hermaphrodite then split him for reproductive purposes. As we are getting way over populated some are choosing to go back? To that state. Judge not least ye be judged. Love God love thy neighbour the rest is commentary go study. (Jesus Hillel and gamileal agree. Paul needed a wack off his horse to see it.!

  64. Dont know why this is hard to receive. I as a gentile am not a jew but i am still part of God’s kingdom. AMEN!! thank you for your articles always good to learn and hopefully grow

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